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----------------------------- N&V-L Digest 506 - 2 Aug 1999 ----------------------------- ............................................................ You are told a lot about your education, but some beautiful, sacred memory, preserved since childhood, is perhaps the best education of all. If a man carries many such memories into life with him, he is saved for the rest of his days.

--Fyodor Dostoyevski ...........................................................

There are 6 messages in this digest.

1. Payment for articles and websites 2. A clarification and a complaint 3. Lenguas Vivas J.R.F e-mail addresses 4. Looking for publishers: DL, EASO and Estrada 5. MA in Translation Studies by distance 6. Neuquen Spring Seminar

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------------------------------------ 1. Payment for articles and websites ------------------------------------

On the question of whether N&V should be kept free, my answer is a loud NO. The list itself, though run and managed by an individual investing precious time and scarce money, belongs to the members. When friends get together in a cafe to talk about life, the universe and everything, they pay for the coffee, not the talk.

If anything is subject to "payability", it would be the perks, the extra services that a WWW site may offer which would be a substantial benefit for the user. I would not pay to see the classified ads when I am jobhunting, but I would pay to see the classified ads that someone preselects for me, together with information on the company and useful tips for dealing with the managers there. Added value is worth paying for, but a mailing list is not addded value, and I think should not be paid under any circumstances.

Back to the payment for articles issue, two questions have come to mind:

a) Say I am Mr University of Somewhere, and I pay Prof So and So a salary plus grants and provide him/her with all the facilities he/she needs to do research. I am proud of Prof So and So's achievement, a result of my resources and his/her skill and effort. Still, when I want to read from him/her, I have to pay for a journal to do so. Still, without feeding that journal with So and So's research, no merit wil be awarded to either of us. Still, neither me nor So and So may ever receive any payment for our time, money and effort. Is it just me or something does not quite work here?

b) I am a full time English teacher. I work every day up to 9:30 PM. I teach in three different places. I don't have time to breathe, because if I do I won't be able to keep up with correction and planning. Still, I consider myself a professional and take on the duty of keeping updated by reading and producing material (on late nights, weekends and the odd break). No grants, no funding, no resources, no time, no nothing. Is the only reward I may ever expect a pat in the back and my name in print? I mean, we are all quite happy to get published, it feels good, feedback is great... but I would not mind getting something back in return!! Receiving a complimentary issue is a nice step in that direction, but unfortunately some of us cannot live on paper alone.

Posted by: Pablo Toledo mailto:toledo@movi.com.ar

** ---------------------------------- 2. A clarification and a complaint ----------------------------------

In her recent posting on this list Cristina Gallo recommended that anyone interested in the MA in TEFL course at the University of Reading could get in touch with me if they had any questions to ask about my experience as a student there. I would, of course, be delighted to do this. Those interested can contact me at the address given below.

However, I would like to make clear that, contrary to the impression that Cristina's posting may have inadvertently given, I have not, in fact, completed the MA course. I have completed Parts One and Two and am currently doing the research on which I will base my dissertation. I intend to submit it in February 2000 and I hope to graduate the following July.

All this reminded me again of something that has been bothering me for a while. Isn't there a worrying tendency in Argentine ELT to exaggerate the level of one's qualifications? Whether it's describing oneself as having an MA or PhD from a foreign university when one has never submitted a dissertation, or as having an "Adscripcion" when one has never submitted the final monograph, sat for the "coloquio" (viva voce) or done the foreign language exam, it's not difficult to think of parties who one knows to be guilty of this "oversight".

Does anyone else share my opinion on this? Or am I just a goody-two-shoes, or even worse, bitter, twisted and cynical? In any case, it seems to me that we can't expect to be taken seriously as a profession if we allow colleagues to get away with this sort of thing.

Posted by: Analia Kandel Buenos Aires, Argentina mailto:akandel@cvtci.com.ar <mailto:akandel@cvtci.com.ar>

** --------------------------------------- 3. Lenguas Vivas J.R.F e-mail addresses ---------------------------------------

These are the I.E.S. en Lenguas Vivas J.R.F e-mail addresses:

<mbisfe@mcye.gov.ar>

<mbisfe@cba.rffdc.edu.ar>

Posted by: Stella Schulte mailto:stellaschulte@ciudad.com.ar

** ----------------------------------------------- 4. Looking for publishers: DL, EASO and Estrada -----------------------------------------------

We're updating our databases at ELT News & Views and we seem to have lost all contact with three Argentine publishers of ELT materials.

Can any list member help out with information on:

* DL Books

* Editorial Estrada

* EASA SA

We would like to find out whether these companies still exist, whether thay are still publishing ELT materials and if so how to contact them by mail, phone, fax or email.

Thanks

Posted by: Martin Eayrs Editor ELT News & Views mailto:me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar

** ---------------------------------------- 5. MA in Translation Studies by distance ----------------------------------------

I know the University of Birmingham offers an MA in Translation Sutdies in association with Lenguas Vivas as from March 1999.

If you want more information you can contact me (I´ll be glad to pass the information I have on to you)

or directly with:

Terry Shortall Centre for English Language Studies Westmere The University of Birmingham B15 2TT, UK Phone: (0) 121 414-7236 Fax: (0) 121 414-3298 mailto:tshortall@bham.ac.uk

Posted by: Vicky Saumell Mailto:vicky.saumell@141.com

** ------------------------- 6. Neuquen Spring Seminar -------------------------

More news about our Spring Seminar, to be held in Neuquen on 24th and 25th September:

Although not all the speakers have sent their abstracts yet, here's the update I promised quite some time ago. We regret to announce that Cristina Grondona White won't be able to be with us this time, but we understand that her presence is much more needed elsewhere right now, and we send her our best wishes!

So far, the following talks have been confirmed (alphabetical order, I'm afraid. The actual programme isn't - for obvious reasons - ready yet) :

Ana María Armendariz: Are we really preparing kids for the new millennium?

Martin Eayrs: We don't say it because we don't say it!

Daniela Forquera: Authentic Assessment in the English language classroom.

Cristina Gallo: The Internet as an educational resource - Getting the idea.

Cristina Gallo: The Internet as an Educational Resource - Web-based Projects.

Susan Hillyard: Use it or Lose it! Drama Games in the Language Classroom.

Nori Robiglio: Close Relationships: Context and Meaning.

In a few days (we hope!) we'll send the tentative programme.

The fees are as follows:

Until 25th August: $ 50 Until 10th September: $ 55 After 10th September: $ 60

For more information and registration, please contact:

Instituto Neuquino del Profesorado en Inglés Fotheringham 346 - (8300) Neuquén - Argentina Tel/Fax: (0299) 442-7574 / 442-2123

or mailto: cristina@newsystem.com lopezmesa@arnet.com.ar

Posted by: Cristina Gallo mailto:cristina@newsystem.com

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----------------------------------------- N&V-L Digest 507 - 4 Aug 1999 ---------------------------------------

........................................................... A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car, but if he has a university education he may steal the whole railroad. --Franklin Delano Roosevelt ...........................................................

There are 5 messages in this digest.

1. Certificate in On-Line Teaching of English 2. IATEFL Chile International Conference 3. A question of professionalism 4. A question of professionalism 5. MA in Translation Studies

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--------------------------------------------- 1. Certificate in On-Line Teaching of English ---------------------------------------------

I thought this might interest list members.

The Certificate in On-Line Teaching of English at

http://www.colte.com

The Certificate in On-Line Teaching of English aims to provide experienced and qualified teachers of English as a Foreign/Second Language with the skills and knowledge they will need in order to successfully transfer their teaching skills to the on-line environment. Both ynchronous and asynchronous methods of teaching will be covered on the course.

The course consists of the following components:

* Pre-Course task * On-line, synchronous seminars: * Use of videoconferencing in on-line teaching * Synchronous teaching methodology * Materials * Asynchronous teaching technologies * Alternative technologies * Teaching practice (peer-teaching and teaching of EFL/ESL students) with post-lesson discussion and tutor feedback * Written self-analysis of taught lessons * A Project to be submitted and presented in the final week * On-going discussions via e-mail discussion group

The course is offered in two modes:

* Mode A: Weekends. This course meets Saturdays and Sundays, 5 hours each day over 5 weekends * Mode B: Weekdays. This course meets Mondays - Fridays, either 2 hours every day or 3 hours on 3 weekdays (to be decided) over 5 weeks.

Both courses involve on average 45 hours of on-line meeting time plus a further 30 hours of independent study/preparation time.

Dates for Mode A courses are as follows:

Friday, 9. July - Sunday, 15. August Friday, 3. September - Sunday, 10. October Friday, 29. October - Sunday, 5. December Friday, 7. January 2000 - Sunday, 12. February 2000 Friday, 3. March 2000 - Sunday, 9. April 2000

Dates for Mode B courses are as follows:

Friday, 17. September to Friday, 29. October Friday, 5. November - Friday, 17. December

To receive a summary of the information contained on this website by e-mail, please send a blank e-mail to colteinfo@nll.co.uk which will trigger our autoresponder.

Please note: We reserve the right to cancel the course at short notice at our own discretion.

Forwarded by: List Editor mailto:me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar

** ---------------------------------------- 2. IATEFL Chile International Conference ----------------------------------------

IATEFL - CHILE 6TH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE 12 - 13 MAY 2000 The way forward for English Language Teaching

Diego Portales Convention Centre, Santiago, Chile

CALL FOR PAPERS

The Conference will consider all areas of ELT, but will give higher priority to TEACHER TRAINING and IN-SERVICE TRAINING with special relevance to those dealing with issues related to education reform.

If you wish to present a paper or conduct a workshop or mini seminar, please complete this form and retun it before 30 November 1999, to:

María Isabel Bizama Conference Programme Coordinator Crescente Errázuriz 1741, Santiago, Chile. Fax number: (56 - 2) 239 3189 e-mail: misabelb@ctcreuna.cl

SPEAKER'S NAME:

ADDRESS: Institution Street City Country Tel: Fax E-mail: Home tel: Fax: E-mail:

SESSION TITLE:

TYPE OF SESSION (please tick)

Talk (__) Workshop (__) Mini seminar, 2-3 sessions (__)

TIME REQUIRED Workshop/Talk 45 minutes (__) 90 minutes (__) Mini seminar: number sessions (__) 45 min (__) 90 min (__)

EQUIMENT REQUIRED: OHP (_) Audio cassette Player (_) Video cassette player (_) Slide Projector (_) Computer & display (_) If so, which type :

Intended audience:

Maximum number of participants:

Additional information

ADDITIONAL REQUEST:

The 1st issue of the year 2000 IATEFL-CHILE Newsletter will be given to participants at the Conference; if you wish to submit an article for this publication, please send it together with your conference paper and we should be happy to include it.

Please attach a summary of your paper in not more than 100 words and a brief resume of your curriculum vitae.

Posted by: María Isabel Bizama mailto:misabelb@ctcreuna.cl

** -------------------------------- 3. A question of professionalism --------------------------------

In her recent posting on this list Analía Kandel makes, in my view, an extremely important point in asking "Isn't there a worrying tendency in Argentine ELT to exaggerate the level of one's qualifications?". Analia's question has echoed my long-standing concern about this "worrying tendency in Argentine EFL", to use Analia's words.

I do believe that in their "struggle" for getting ELT recognized as a serious profession some colleagues in Argentina have gone a bit too far with their qualification claims without thinking that their "exaggeration", to quote Analia once again, has caused a "reversed" effect. How can a profession be taken seriously when some of its members make up their degrees?

I have sadly read and heard colleagues claiming to hold degrees I know for sure they don't. The sad side of this even sadder story is that for those who make up their degrees the meaning of the word "professional" seems to boil down to "holding certain degrees".

A profession has, to the best of my knowledge, never gained the respect of the professional community for the degrees its members hold. Rather, a profession has acquired its status for the serious and hard work and the honesty of its members.

Posted by: Julio Gimenez mailto:jgimenez@uesiglo21.edu.ar

** -------------------------------- 4. A question of professionalism --------------------------------

Apologies to Analía Kandel for the misleading statement. The fact is, Analía, that I should have typed "taught course" or taught track". As it was, I thought it was clear, since if it had been otherwise I would have typed "who has recently obtained her MA Degree at CALS, the University of Reading".

Please forgive me, sometimes one has everything clear in one's mind, and thinks the rest of the world will automatically follow the same reasoning! :)

Cheers,

Cristina

Posted by: Cristina Gallo Neuquen, Argentina mailto:cristina@newsystem.com

** ---------------------------- 5. MA in Translation Studies ----------------------------

Here is the correct e-mail address of Terry Shortall from the University of Birmingham:

<t.shortall@bham.ac.uk>

Sorry for the typo!

Posted by: Vicky Saumell Mailto:vicky.saumell@141.com

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----------------------------- N&V-L Digest 508 - 5 Aug 1999 -----------------------------

............................................................. Natural ability without education has more often raised a man to glory and virtue than education without natural ability. --Marcus Tullius Cicero .............................................................

There are 10 messages in this digest.

1. Bogus degrees 2. Bogus degrees 3. A question of professionalism: two suggestions 4. Business English Certificate (BEC) 5. Global Learn Day 6. Two questions 7. On degrees and professionalism 8. Payment for articles - Clarification 9. Additional Performance of Hamlet 10. GMAT preparation

** ______________________________________________________________ | ELT News & Views accepts no responsibility for the truth or | | accuracy of facts published in this list and the editor the | | reserves the right not to be asociated with opinions stated.| -------------------------------------------------------------

---------------- 1. Bogus degrees ----------------

Julio Gimenez asks:

"How can a profession be taken seriously when some of its members make up their degrees? I have sadly read and heard colleagues claiming to hold degrees I know for sure they don't. "

Are you talking about real degrees that these colleagues never earned, or about degrees that don't exist - for instance because you know that such a university does not award them?

Also relevant is the question of what you - or we - should do about colleagues with bogus qualifications. Should they be unmasked? Should you tell their employer? After all, they may advance their careers, at your expense, on the strength of their "degrees."

Posted by: Frank Nowikowski Buenos Aires, Argentina mailto:fnowikow@cvtci.com.ar

** ---------------- 2. Bogus degrees ----------------

I present a short anecdote in response to Julio's comment:

I had always been quiet about my degree. I mean, not because I was ashamed of it or indifferent to it but just because. Coming from a culture where it used to be impossible to take a step forward unless you had the previously obtained entry requirements. I stress previously, which I know is redundant, because the ORDER of events was important. We tended to believe people when they said what they'd got. We were also highly critical of each other and had to undergo stringent exams, teaching practices, professional courses, write a dissertation of 15,000 words, study full time over 4 years and "read around" our subject not to mention the myriad extra curricular activities we had to engage in to show we were "well rounded" real people with real interests.

On coming to Argentina I was told by a respected colleague I had to put my "title" after my name in all correspondence, on my card, against signatures etc. Of course it's taken me a long time to understand the reason for this.

I do agree with Julio that we are recognised as professionals by our seriousness, our honesty and our hard work. I would like to add to that: our competency within the body of knowledge belonging to our profession, our transparency, our accountability and our willingness to share. After all we teach who we are so we'd better be the best models we can make ourselves and that means defining our terms. Woudn't that be a good place to start? Posted by: Susan Hillyard B. Ed. (Hons) mailto:hillyard@ciudad.com.ar

** ------------------------------------------------- 3. A question of professionalism: two suggestions -------------------------------------------------

Cristina doesn't need to apologise at all! On the contrary, I welcomed the chance to air my views on a major problem of the local TEFL scene that had been worrying me for quite a long time: self-awarded qualifications.

Could I make two suggestions?

1. Conference organisers could request all presenters to submit photocopies of the degrees they claim to hold;

2. Argentine and foreign educational institutions could put up a list with the graduation years and names of graduates on their web sites. Some universities already do.

It seems to me something needs to be done to discourage this unprofessional behaviour.

Posted by: Analia Kandel Buenos Aires, Argentina mailto:akandel@cvtci.com.ar

** ------------------------------------- 4. Business English Certificate (BEC) -------------------------------------

Cambridge Examinations: Seminars for Teachers

Business English Certificate (BEC)

The University of Cambridge Local Examinations Syndicate (UCLES) is pleased to announce the above seminar to be given by Ms Anthea Bazin at the IES en Lenguas Vivas "Juan Ramón Fernández", Carlos Pellegrini 1515 on Saturday, August 21, from 9.00 to 10.30.

All teachers of English are welcome to attend but enrolment is necessary and vacancies are limited.

Please fax your details to Litty Mora, UCLES Support Officer for Argentina at 4790 5515 and 4794 5960, including a contact number.

Posted by: Litty Mora mailto:plmora@relay2.impsat1.com

** ------------------- 5. Global Learn Day --------------------

Global Learn Day is coming up soon...some heavy duty announcements coordinated with a great, great webcaster http://www.intervu.net.

See the general path of our route at

http://www.bfranklin.edu/gld3/eventmap.html,

but with many variations. We will start our campaign in the first week of September.

Hope you are there!

Posted by: John Hibbs mailto:hibbs@bfranklin.edu

** ---------------- 6. Two questions ----------------

A teacher at school asked me these words and was unable to find them in the dictionaries at home.

1) What is the name in English for two sports played in Argentina: "paddle" and "pelota a paleta"?

2) What is the name in English for the racket they play these sports? And the one for the racket they play table tennis with?

For the table tennis racket, the only thing I found was "paddle racket". Is that OK?

Pôsted by: Silvia Benson mailto:sbenson@satlink.com

** --------------------------------- 7. On degrees and professionalism ---------------------------------

Analía's point on degrees and the abuse that is made of names and titles is a very serious matter indeed. It is certainly not conducive to maintaining (or raising) standards within the profession. For those of us who have worked hard to obtain our degree (graduate and postgraduate, because at both levels abuses occur), it should be a matter of great importance.

In this context, strong professional associations can play a very important role by excluding those that do not comply with basic ethical principles. For example, APIBA (Asociación de Profesores de Inglés de Buenos Aires) has the following rights and duties for its members explicitly stated in its statutes (apologies for the Spanish, but this is a legal document, and I am no legal translator!):

"La Asociación podrá tomar medidas disciplinarias contra los socios, que irán desde un llamado de atención hasta la exclusión definitiva, cuando no dieran cumplimiento a sus obligaciones como socios o cuando su conducta afectare el prestigio de la Asociación."

Obviously, this matter should be taken very seriously and accusations must be backed by evidence and the process should safeguard everybody's right to confidentiality until a decision is reached. Also, such accusations should be voiced in an appropriate forum, such as a professional association, and go beyond the cafe chat which often does more harm than good.

Posted by: Cristina Banfi, Ph.D. mailto:banfi@essarp.org.ar

** --------------------------------------- 8. Payment for articles - Clarification ---------------------------------------

Just a few thoughts on ideas that have recently been discussed on this issue.

1. I couldn't agree more with Catherine's remarks on the question of copyright. Authors of academic papers should retain copyright over their articles. It is clearly an abuse on the part of publishers to not pay authors and not allow them to use their material afterwards (different is the case of authors who do get paid for a book, of course). Besides, there is still the question of fair use within the classroom which extends beyond your own material.

2. On the question of full- vs. part-time, what I meant when I said that full-time jobs were few and far between did not concern individual teachers' timetables but positions at schools, colleges and universities. Pablo, I am sure that, like most of us, you have a very full timetable (more so than it should be, perhaps!). A full-time position, however, is one where you are expected to teach a number of hours a week (usually not as many as the average teacher works in Argentina), but you also have time, and get paid for class preparation, research, meetings, thinking, writing, etc. Many people may think that I am talking about Utopia, but such positions do exist. This probably does not help you much at present Pablo, but it is an interesting alternative reality.

3. As to regarding education as a service provided to a client, I am not so sure I am comfortable with the business metaphor. In a provider-client relationship, a client does not take responsibility for the outcome. This is clearly not the case of teaching and learning, is it?

4. I think writing and research are fundamental components of a teacher's development if a teacher is to be something more than a "classroom worker" (Silvia Iummato's words). And certainly such work should comply with standards of quality which, as Jeremy says, has nothing to do with money.

Posted by: Cristina Banf mailto:banfi@essarp.org.ar

** ----------------------------------- 9. Additional Performance of Hamlet -----------------------------------

An additional performance of "The Resurrection of Hamlet" has been scheduled for Saturday August 21st at 10 p.m., at the Hip Pub, H. Yrigoyen 640, just two blocks away from Plaza de Mayo.

Tickets are $5 at the door. Beer is not on the house but you can ask for your favorite English, Irish or German variety.

This performance is in addition to the already slated one on August 11th at the Centro Cultural Catedral, Rivadavia 781, at 4 p.m. Any teachers who are currently studying the play with their students are welcomed to come or to address their inquiries to Alfred Hopkins: 4 334-1561 (e-mail: freda333@infovia. com.ar)

Posted by: Alfred Hopkins mailto:freda333@infovia.com.ar

** -------------------- 10. GMAT preparation ---------------------

I have recently started preparing a student for the GMAT test and would appreciate any information or advice about books or web sites related with it.

I am also curious if other teachers find it hard work, or if I am the only one with problems of critical reasoning.

Thank you in advance

Posted by: Heather Clark mailto:kenhjc@entelchile.net

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----------------------------- N&V-L Digest 509 - 6 Aug 1999 -----------------------------

........................................................... The first idea that the child must acquire in order to be actively disciplined is that of the difference between good and evil; and the task of the education lies in seeing that the child does not confound good with immobility, and evil with activity --Maria Montessori ...........................................................

There are 8 messages in this digest.

1. Rackets and paddles 2. The case of the bogus degree 3. Is teaching a service ? 4 Bats and paddles 5. Looking for the Nomenclador del Estatuto del Docente 6. Workshops in Neuquen 7. Paddles and rackets 8. Bogus degrees

---------------------- 1. Rackets and paddles ----------------------

Silvia Benson asks:

> What is the name in English for the racket they play > these sports? And the one for the racket they play table > tennis with?

For table tennis (in America) the situation is this: The USATT (table tennis association) calls it a "racket" throughout the official rules. But they also include, in the rules, expressions like "the player shall...". "the ball shall...", so I wouldn't take them as the best example. Specialized publications call it a paddle, and sometimes, a racket. Wwhen they refer to the wooden piece only, that is the "blade", and the rubber part that covers it is the "rubber" (lotsa jokes made with "the rubber I always use", "my balls" and "stroke" among players). Finally, players themselves call it a racket or a paddle (formal to neutral) or a "bat" (informal). Like I said, this is SE USA, and there may be other terms somewhere else. For a nice hangman with table tennis terms and stuff that you could adapt and use offline, visit http://tabletennisclub.tsx.org and click on "Have fun with table tenis".

Posted by: Roberto Perez mailto:rgpg@technologist.com

** ------------------------------- 2. The case of the bogus degree -------------------------------

Analia has prompted some thought-provoking and timely discussion on the issue of degree inflation and bogus qualifications. I suspect that one of the sources of difficulty over the status of degrees is the differences among national systems and, in turn, the professional and commercial cultures of different national systems. Such differences are obvious within the countries of the European Union, and give rise to disputes over equivalance, despite decades of attempts to bring about harmonization of qualifications.

In England, a first degree (i.e., a Bachelor's) normally takes three years -- although things are different north of the border. Cross the Channel, and differences multiply. For instance, people who have obtained a UK Master's degree may encounter difficulty in having this recognized in some EU and Middle European countries, where a Master's is a first degree, involving up to five years' study. At the doctorate level, similar problems arise. (Try getting a French colleague to explain the system of doctorates in their higher education system!)

So, in our globally mobile world, individuals may inflate or 'massage' their degrees in order to match them to what they believe to be the local equivalent. Are they being dishonest?

Similarly, because people working at a given level in a national system conventionally have a degree of a certain status, nationals may address or refer to foreign colleagues and visitors by titles normal in this context. Although I have neither a doctorate nor a chair, when outside the UK, I have often been addressed or referred to as 'Doctor' or 'Professor' White, and very nice it is too. But I know that it's an agreeable form of courtesy and that I will have to discard the title as I check in for my flight home, since this is a souvenir which isn't exportable! In any case, I usually explain to the people concerned that I am neither Dr nor Professor. This doesn't usually stop them from using the courtesy titles, though. Am I being deceitful in going along with this polite fiction as a way of fitting in to local mores?

More serious is the deliberate claiming of a degree to which one has no entitlement. At worst, this is illegal, at best deceitful. With the proliferation of modular degrees spread out over years, there are many people who are studying for a Master's (or for a Ph.D.), but who have not yet completed or been awarded the degree in question (Analia being a case in point). As Analia has pointed out, it is not really acceptable for such people already to claim the status of Master's. But, as we all know, some people with MAs in progress do just that. Is this hontest? Is it fair?

Likewise, there are people who have not actually completed a Master's, and who have been awarded a Diploma instead. It is quite wrong then to claim to have the MA degree. An MA is an MA, and a Diploma is a Diploma, even if the latter incorporates many of the components of the former. After all, can a signet claim to be a swan?

In a profession, the status of qualifications is usually very important. Normally, there are gateways to professional membership , and training, qualifications and adherance to ethical standards are among them. Unfortunately, there are few gateways to ELT, and we are still struggling to achieve fully professional status. To the world at large, our efforts to do so will be compromized if it becomes clear that ELT practioners are inflating their qualifications or, worse still, awarding themselves bogus ones. In most professions, possession of a bogus degree is very grave offence, usually leading to exclusion from professional membership and practice. Is this fair? Well, if you're a patient on an operating table, you would probably say 'yes'. But if you're a student in a classroom....?

Finally, a few years ago my university had an unhappy experience with a person claiming to have an extensive array of degrees, including a doctorate. Partly on the basis of these degrees, she was appointed to a post in the university. It transpired that not only were her degrees bogus, but she was also defrauding the university of large sums of money.

Fortunately, not all bearers of bogus degrees also set about obtaining such dishoneslty acquired pecuniary benefits. What, though, is the difference between obtaining money by financial deception (such as cooking the books) and by academic deceit (such as claiming to have a non existent degree)?

Posted by: Ron White mailto:r.v.white@reading.ac.uk

** -------------------------- 3. Is teaching a service ? --------------------------

Is teaching a service? I believe it is; yet, one must always reflect upon one's beliefs. Cristina raises an interesting issue: the provider-user business metaphor does not apply to teaching because in the learning-teaching situation the learner should also assume responsibility for the results. I am not quite sure her objections are justified, because in all professional services the user is supposed to assume some responsibilities. If the doctor prescribes medicines, and you don't take them, you cannot sue the doctor for malpractice. In modern business, the total quality idea includes the concept: "We are all clients", so I do not think that the "provider-client" metaphor would be considered valid in the corporate world without a few considerations as to each party's responsibilities.

Client-orientation is a key concept in teaching adults, and it does include discussing roles, expectations and responsibilities with the learner - the client, in this case. This discussion gears to an even more interesting issue: what is the valid metaphor for the teacher-learner relationship?

Posted by: Ana María R. de Bergel mailto:centum@datamarkets.com.ar

** ------------------ 4 Bats and paddles ------------------

In the US, you play ping-pong with a paddle. In Britain you play table tennis with a bat.

Catherine Walter mailto:cwalter@compuserve.com

** ------------------------------------------------------- 5. Looking for the Nomenclador del Estatuto del Docente -------------------------------------------------------

I'm looking for a copy of the 'Nomenclador del Estatuto del Docente', prepared by the Comision Permanente de Revisión del Estatuto del Docente.

I've been all over the Ministry site but can't find a copy ? Does anyone know a URL ? Or can anyone fax me a copy (my fax number is 54-11-4375-3944). It would be very helpful.

The information I require is to what extent all the names of the zillion different 'titulos docentes' and 'titulos habilitantes' are still in use and whether there is agreement on standardised future nomenclature. Also what is recognised today as 'habilitante' for English teachers at each level and whether this is temprary or permanent.

Thanks to anyone who can help me.

Posted by: Martin Eayrs mailto:me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar

** ----------------------- 6. Workshops in Neuquen -----------------------

WORKSHOPS IN NEUQUEN - AUGUST

Lecturer : Prof.María Marta Suarez-Co-founder and Co-Director of I.A.C.A. (Instituto Argentino de Creatividad en el aprendizaje).

August 21st : Methodology Workshop - Creativity in the Classroom.

Module I : Story Telling and Drama Hours : 9 to 13

Module II: Guided Imagery and Art Hours : 15 to 19

End of the Millennium Circle- Dance Celebration

Hours : 19.30 to 20.30 Venue : Hotel del Comahue

August 22nd : Immersion Course ( for Pre-Intermed., Intermed, levelled adults and Teachers )

Hours : 10 to 18 Venue : Hotel del Comahue

This course is about refreshing and using English in a fun,sociable way ( including lunch and coffee - break), and for teachers, a chance to look into the new scope of whole language.

For further information ¨: ENGLISH WORKSHOP- Sta Fe 222 1er Piso Nqn. Phone: 0299- 4422552 - E-Mail address: marthachurruarin@hotmail.com

Posted by: Martha Churruarin mailto:marthachurruarin@hotmail.com

** ---------------------- 7. Paddles and rackets ----------------------

1) What is the name in English for two sports played in Argentina: "paddle" and "pelota a paleta"?

I can help on the first one. In the States it is known as "platform tennis."

2) What is the name in English for the racket they play these sports? And the one for the racket they play table tennis with?

If it has strings it is a racket; if not, it is a paddle.

For the table tennis racket, the only thing I found was "paddle racket". Is that OK?

"Ping pong paddle" or "table tennis paddle" would be more appropriate.

Posted by: Timothy C. Archer mailto:cerro@iicana.com

** ---------------- 8. Bogus degrees ----------------

I would like to make a couple of points about my previous comments on this subject.

1. When on my previous posting I said "I have sadly read and heard colleagues claiming to hold degrees I know for sure they don't. " I may have forgot to strengthen the word "sadly" not because I felt these colleagues mean unfair competition but because I do believe in honesty, transparency, and accountability as Susan rightly put it on her posting.

To answer Frank's question, let me illustrate my point with a short anecdote:

Some time ago I participated in a Conference and reading the' presenters biodata I discovered there was a presenter who claimed to have a degree from the university where I was about to start my postgraduate course. I unfortunately could not meet them on that occasion as I had planned but for some reason their name remained on my mind. Two years later, I read that very same name on the programme of my Congregation (Graduation) Ceremony. To make matters sadder (if you don't mind my saying so), they were graduating with a lower degree than the one they had claimed at the time of the Conference.

2. As to Frank's other questions, I don't feel I should be the one to unmask them or tell their employer, even if I accidentally have the proofs to do so. I would love to see themselves come to terms with reality and stop their exaggerated claims. This to me would be a very professional attitude. After all, and to quote Susan, "we teach who we are so we'd better be the best models".

3. I suggest, following Susan's expansion on my previous posting, that we start defining our terms: To be recognised as a serious profession, we should work on what it means to be serious, honest, hard-working, competent, knowledgeable, transparent, accountable and generous with others. This would "a good place to start" (Susan).

Posted by: Julio C. Giménez Head Department of Languages for Business Universidad Siglo 21 Rondeau 165, (5000) Córdoba, Argentina Tel. +54 (0)351 423-2626, Ext. 215 Fax.+54 (0)351 424-8006 mailto:gimenezjulio#hotmail.com

**

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----------------------------- N&V-L Digest 510 - 10 Aug 1999 -----------------------------

....................................................... Football is a sport that bears the same relationship to education that bullfighting does to agriculture.

--Elbert Hubbard .......................................................

There are 8 messages in this digest.

1. I'd like to receive some advice 2. Global English Newsletter (GEN) 3. SEAL in Argentina 4. ESSARP Conference 5. Taking and making 6. Congress in Arica, Chile 7. ESP and Business English 8. ESP online course

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---------------------------------- 1. I'd like to receive some advice ----------------------------------

Hi! I'm sending this message because I'm a young English teacher and I'm quite new in this, so I'd like to receive some advice about a pedagogical matter.

I teach English to children from 6 to 12 years old and despite all the suggestions for games or material supplied in many courses I took, I got some problems with one of my students. He is 7, and has got problems in learning, he is on a pedagogical treatment. I've taught him colors, some animals, the alphabet and many other things, vocabulary in general but sometimes I really feel I run out of ideas.

My objective is to give him the capability to communicate with other people in English but it is almost impossible to teach him grammatical structures or useful phrases such as -Hello, my name is Jonathan, goodbye- because he can not keep it in his mind.

So I'd be really thanked if you could give me some advice about this situation. What can I do to teach him basic structures at least?

Thanks a lot.

LiLiana.

Posted by: Liliana Lissa mailto:Chaotic@ciudad.com.ar

** ---------------------------------- 2. Global English Newsletter (GEN) ----------------------------------

It's quite possible that bulletin readers are already familiar with this interesting news letter. Even so, those unfamiliar with it may want to learn about it. The latest bulletin carries such items as

INTERNATIONAL ENGLISH STYLE

YOUNG BRITONS ADOPT AMERICAN PRONUNCIATION

HAS THE DECLINE OF WORLD LANGUAGES BEEN OVERESTIMATED?

almost always with linked web site addresses.

Details of the newsletter are give below.

........................................

GEN is a free newsletter produced on behalf of the British Council by The English Company (UK) Ltd. If you have a query about the newsletter or have difficulty receiving it, mail <editor@english.co.uk>

Any related enquiries which you wish to direct to the British Council should be sent to <caroline.moore@britcoun.org>

To cancel your subscription to the list send a blank email message to <maillist@english.co.uk> typing, in the SUBJECT line: SIGNOFF GEN This will cancel your subscriptions to GEN.

To retrieve a back issue of GEN or any other files from the archive, send a message to <maillist@english.co.uk> with the subject line: SEND GEN INDEX

You will then receive a listing of all files currently available in the archive with instructions explaining how to retrieve them by email. You can also obtain back issues of GEN from the English Company (UK) Ltd's Web site: http://www.english.co.uk/newsletter/gen.html

For resources and news related to The Future of English? see: http://www.english.co.uk

Stories credited to MIS are derived in part from the Market Intelligence Service which forms part of the British Council's GETIS Service. Further information can be found at:

http://www.britishcouncil.org/promotion/getis/gethome.htm

Or contact David Mason <david.mason@britcoun.org>

Posted by: Ron White mailto:r.v.white@reading.ac.uk

** -------------------- 3. SEAL in Argentina --------------------

SEAL (Society for Effective Affective Learning) in Argentina

Third Event 1999 - August 14, from 9.30 to 1 p.m. "The Reading Workshop", with Silvia Aquino.

Venue: Colegio Amapola, Nicaragua 4739.

There is a feeling amongst teachers that there is, among our students, a general lack of interest in books and ability to value reading in terms of a personal activity from which pleasure can be derived. The Reading Workshop, reading organised to rekindle a sense of joy and ownership, is one of the best ways to improve the children's attitude to reading and motivates students to read outside the classroom.

For further information or registration send a fax to (011) 4752-4701.

Regards,

Terry

Posted by: Terry Cullen mailto:tcullen@cvtci.com.ar

** -------------------- 4. ESSARP Conference --------------------

The 1999 ESSARP Conference will take place on August 14th & 15th at the Pilar Campus of the Universidad del Salvador. The main theme of the conference will be "The Management and Development of Change."

The will be two semi-plenaries, one by Mr. David Rigby on "Recent trends in the Management of Change," and the other by Lic. Cristina Rodríguez Varela & Lic. Graciela de Ipola on "El Cambio en la Educación."

The workshops will include:

Dr. Julian Pattison (UCLES) AICE English Training

Mr. Ian McWhinney (UCLES) AICE Maths Training

Mr. David Rigby "Recent trends in the Management of Change" & "The Hallmarks of the Good School"

Lic. Silvia Dowdall & Lic. Amelia Pugliese "Hacia una Escuela Eficaz: La Escuela como una Organización"

Mr. Terry Cullen & Mrs. Glennis Oliver "Change in the Forgotten Years (11-14)"

For further information, please contact:

ESSARP Teachers'Centre, Esmeralda 672, 7th floor,

Tel.: 4322-2480, Fax.: 4322-9203 E-mail: <mailto:centre@essarp.org.ar>centre@essarp.org.ar

Posted by: Cristina Banfi mailto:banfi@essarp.org.ar

** -------------------- 5. Taking and making --------------------

I've noticed that many Argentine speakers of English use the term "take photocopies." I grew up saying "make photocopies" and have never heard a native speaker say it differently. However, the teachers at our institute insist that "take photocopies" is the term commonly used at the School of Languages. Is there a part of the English- speaking world where photocopies are taken and not made?

Posted by: Timothy C. Archer mailto:cerro@iicana.com

** --------------------------- 6. Congress in Arica, Chile ---------------------------

Themes: Linguistics (Applied), Literature and ELT

Dates: 13,14 y 15 October 1999.

Where: Arica, CHILE

Organisers: Universidad de Tarapaca

For information re call for papers and registration please contact <everdugo@llareta.dagh.uta.cl>.

Posted by: Emilio Verdugo Gonzalez Director Depto Idiomas Extranjeros Universidad de Tarapaca, Arica, CHILE mailto:everdugo@llareta.dagh.uta.cl

** --------------------------- 7. ESP and Business English ---------------------------

I would like to know if anybody can tell me where I could get any paper or book (theory) that deals with the difference between ESP-ESL/EFL and about business savvy.

We are undergoing a project and some reference would do me good.

Many thanks

Posted by: Alicia Barbitta Montevideo mailto:barbitta@adinet.com.uy

** -------------------- 8. ESP online course --------------------

Dear colleagues,

I 've finished the fourth week of an on-line course on ESP organized by ESP IS ARTESOL

E-mail <mailto:espisartesol@arnet.com.ar>espisartesol@arnet.com.ar

<http://members.xoom.com/espisartesol/>http://members.xoom.com/espisartesol

I would like to share my opinion on it. IT IS GREAT !!!!!! There is no brief way to describe all of its very possitive points, so I will just list them .

* I had the oppurtunity of getting in touch with very savvy and helpful coordinators.Mercedes Rossetti and Emily Lites. Their work is incredible from all points of view.

* I "met" a very highly qualified group of participants, many of whom I would have not met otherwise, due to geographical distances that only this net could bridge so easily.

* This fantastic group of colleagues not only shared their opinions and experince but also took the time to read my very humble opinions and see my point of view. I would like to mention Emily Lites specially , she not only coordinated this workshop but also contributed with her personal experience, and took the time to see my point of view, even if it is/ was very far away from hers.

* I was able to to read some very good bibliography which would have taken me ages to find. Even if I browsed a long time I doubt I would have been able to find them all.

* I increaseed my knowledge and improved my performance with the PC and the Internet.PLUS had a womnderful tutor, Mercedes Rossetti, who was a very patient teacher who pulled me through all the gaps I had.

* Learnt how to "chat" through the net . Thrilling experience.

* Participated in very friutful debates.

* I had the opportunity of taking part in the development of very interesting projects. Both on the short and long term.

I would most emphatically recommend it to all of you. Not only does it have the above mentioned benefits but also the beauty that you can work at home at any time that suites you

Once again my most sincere congratulatiions to the coordinators, it was an homour working with you. A pleasure I am looking forward to repeat. Regards .

Gabriela Fernandez Testa. <mailto:avefenix@arnet.com.ar>avefenix@arnet.com.ar

** end ----------------------------- N&V-L Digest 511 - 12 Aug 1999 -----------------------------

................................................. Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army. --Edward Everet .................................................

There are 5 messages in this digest.

1. Bogus Degrees 2. Taking and making: a response 3. July 99 and previous digests 4. Marketing and Technology Workshop 5. Paul Seligson & Julio Gimenez in BA

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---------------- 1. Bogus Degrees ----------------

I few years ago I would have also claimed (just as Prof. Hillyard puts it) that I came from a culture where it was "impossible to take a step forward unless you had the previously obtained entry requirements." It´s really sad to accept that people have changed so much (should we also blame the ´system´?) What is it that urges professionals (?) to claim ´to be´ something they are not?

The saddest part of this sit. is that some of those professionals are usually seen and treated as the ´know-it-all´ because they are also extremely efficient at making people believe that they know everything about everything; you name it they know it... And some of us just remain silent so as not to be rude...

It is not fair for those of us who spent a lot of time, a lot of money, and put a lot of energy working on our degrees... but who said that life is fair??

Susana B. Tuero B. Eng, Universidad Catolica de Mar del Plata, Argentina; MA in TESOL, Michigan State University, USA; Ph.D. in English, Michigan State University, USA

I´m learning, aren´t I?

Bye...

Posted by: Susana B. Tuero mailto:sbtuero@bart.mdp.edu.ar

** -------------------------------- 2. Taking and making: a response --------------------------------

As a teacher I have always wonder about those two terms. And believe it or not,when I was reading the post on this list I was actually in a copy stand called KINKO's in Los Angeles, California.As soon as I read the query I stood up from the computer I was using and I asked the shop assistants which term was more correct. The answer was that native speakers in the USA use either RUN or MAKE photocopies.

I hope this helps.

Posted by: Adriana Benvenuto. Argentinian Fulbright exchange teacher in Hawthorne High School.Los Angeles.CA.USA mailto:adrianabenvenuto@hotmail.com

** ------------------------------- 3. July 99 and previous digests -------------------------------

May I remind list members that the July 1999 (and earlier) digests of N&V-L can be consulted at:

http://www.eltnewsandviews.com.ar/listpage/digests.html

Thanks.

Posted by: List Editor mailto:me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar

** ------------------------------------ 4. Marketing and Technology Workshop ------------------------------------

BEWEnglish/HYPERMEDIA 2000 announces the following workshop:

Title: Marketing Strategies for Institutes and Teachers of English

Brief Description: A workshop for all those teachers who want to succeed in the competitive English market. Competition analysis, information gathering and filtering, advertising techniques, fund management, professional selling techniques, institutional image, etc.

Lecturers: Betty Wolff/Marcelo Rodeiro/Gustavo Macagno

Date: August 21st and August 28th (Saturday) 2 pm to 7:30 pm

Place: BEWEnglish/HYPERMEDIA 2000 Juncal 2530, 01425 Ciudad de Buenos Aires

Fee: $120

Vacancies: limited

Contact: betty@giga.com.ar. Tel: 4825-0303. Fax: 4821-3572

Posted by: Betty Wolff Director of Studies mailto:betty@giga.com.ar http://members.xoom.com/bettywolff/Marketingdelingles.htm

**

-------------------------------------- 5. Paul Seligson & Julio Gimenez in BA --------------------------------------

Author and teacher trainer Paul Seligson is joining forces with Julio Gimenez to share with teachers strategies and activities to help adult learners meet their need to develop their oral fluency.

Saturday 11 September, 9:00 to 15:30 at Universidad del Museo Social Argentino, Corrientes 1753, Buenos Aires,

This seminar is free - for registration please call Oxford University Press: (011) 4312- 5012/14.

Paul Seligson will also be in the cities and on the dates listed below:

Rosario

Saturday 4 September, 9:30 to 12:30, at Colegio St Bartholomew, Tucuman 1257 registration: APrIR (0341) 4473214 and OUP (0341) 4352549

Mendoza

Tuesday 7 September, 18:30 to 21:00, at Fac. Filosofia y Letras, Centro Universitario, UNCuyo registration: Centro Int'l Libro (0261) 4201266 and OUP (0261) 4952182

Tucuman

Thursday 9 September, 18:30 to 21:00, at Instituto Carlos Pellegrini, Congreso 678 registration: Instituto Cultural Argentino en Lenguas Vivas (0381) 4215293 and OUP (0381) 4294400

Cordoba

Friday 10 September, 18:30 to 21:00, at Blackpool, Av Rafael Nunez 4555 registration: Blackpool (0351) 4237172

All these events are free but places should be booked in advance.

Posted by: Ricardo Sampedro mailto:Sampedrr@oup.com.ar

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------------------------------ N&V-L Digest 512 - 16 Aug 1999 ------------------------------

....................................................... Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. --Margaret Mead .......................................................

There are 7 messages in this digest

1. Would you pay for this list ? 2. About Taking and Making 3. The little hat on the Spanish 'n' 4. Short course at University of Reading 5. URLs for writing skills 6. Shakespeare Conference in Buenos Aires 7. Still paddling

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-------------------------------- 1. Would you pay for this list ? --------------------------------

The list editor has asked what people would think of paying for the service. This seems like a complicated and potentially discriminatory measure.

Why not ask for voluntary donations? I belong to another discussion list, the Linguist List. Every year they make an appeal for donations, and people send whatever they want to. Subscribers who can't or don't want to send money don't. Every donor is listed, with different lists for those who have donated over certain amounts (e.g. $50, $100).

It seems to work well. I would certainly be willing to donate something to keep this list going - what do other people think?

Posted by: Catherine Walter Chilton nr Didcot Oxfordshire OX11 0SF mailto:CWalter@compuserve.com

** --------------------------- 2. About Taking and Making ---------------------------

When I read Timothy´s question about photocopying, I happened to be sitting next to a native so I asked. The answer is definitely, at least for her, one "makes" photocopies.

Posted by: Liliana Williams UNC mailto:williams@logos.uncu.edu.ar

** ----------------------------------- 3. The little hat on the Spanish 'n' -----------------------------------

Today I was asked by a student of mine, what do you call the symbol that appears above the Spanish 'n' in words like Espania when it appears in web addresses ?

For example, in a web address like

http://www.clearlight.com/~vivi/xw/index.htm

how would you 'dictate' the bit after the com/ ?

I know mathematically it means approximately, but I do not know how to refer to it as part of a site address

Thanks, and kind regards,

Posted by: Gabriela Fernandez Testa. mailto:avefenix@arnet.com.ar

** ---------------------------------------- 4. Short course at University of Reading ----------------------------------------

I've noticed that lately some list members have been sharing their experiences and opinions of courses they're doing or have done, and I thought that was quite useful.

I was told that the University of Reading is offering a 4 week course next summer including MA in TEFL courses. I think I could be interested in doing that course.

Could anyone who's done it before share their experience?

Posted by; Adriana L. Carrizo mailto:adricarrizo@yahoo.com

** -------------------------- 5. URLs for writing skills --------------------------

From: "Martin Inthamoussú" <inmir@adinet.com.uy> To: "ELT News and Views" <me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar> Subject: POST N&V-L Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:11:46 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3

If you are interested in Writing Skills you should vistit these sites. You'll find them quite useful.

<http://owl.english.purdue.edu>http://owl.english.purdue.edu

<http://www.hmco.com/college/english/raimes/frames/homefrm.htm>http:// www.hmco.com/college/english/raimes/frames/homefrm.htm

Posted by: Martin Inthamoussu Montevideo Uruguay mailto:inmir@adinet.com.uy

**

----------------------------------------- 6. Shakespeare Conference in Buenos Aires -----------------------------------------

First international conference in Argentina on William Shakespeare, his work,his times and his influence Buenos Aires, 15 to 18 September

Venue: Instituto Felix Bernasconi. Catamarca 2099.Buenos Aires.

PROGRAMME

Wednesday 15 September

8.15 to 10 Registration

10.30 to 12 Opening Session

12 to 12.30 Brunch break

12.45 to 13.30 Henry Widdowson "Listening for Effect. Reflections on Shakespeare's Use of Language"

13.30 to 15.30 Rolando Costa Picazo "Shakespeare in Borges and Borges in Shakespeare"

Charmazel Dudt "The Second Tetralogy"

Beatriz Legorburo " A Suburban Hamlet (or the Filicidal Kingdom)"

Michael Gerahty "Shakespeare and Joyce"

15.30 to 15.50 Coffee-break

16 to 17 Cultural event.

Thursday 16 September

9 to 10.30 Susana Borio " LOVE'S LABOUR'S LOST - Early Humour?"

Nora Kreimer "HAMLET: The Heart of Mystery"

Roberto Ferreira da Rocha " Politics, Rhetoric and Performativity: Speech Acts of a Scene of CORIOLANUS."

10.30 to 10.50 Coffee-break.

11 to 13 Ana A.P.de Castagnino "Women in Love:Juliet and Cleopatra"

John Gilroy "TWELFTH NIGHT,Jane Austen and PERSUASION."

Laura C.de Juarroz " Chaos and Cosmos in Shakespeare's Plays."

Seda Gasparian " Shakespeare Translation as Metaphoric Displacement."

13 to 14.30 Break

14.40 to 16.20 Cultural events

16.30 to 18 Valeria Rodríguez Van Dam " La memoria de Shakespeare:Shakespeare in the Work of Jorge Luis Borges "

María del Carmen Trouvé " A MODEL OF CHRISTIAN CHARITY by John Winthrop and MEASURE FOR MEASURE.

Silvia Fernández " MEASURE FOR MEASURE:Meaning and Creation".

Cecilia Chiachio "Nothing in KING LEAR "

Malvina Aparicio and Susana Biasi "OTHELLO the Moor in the Global Age "

Natalia Telepina "Shakespeare and Pushkin" Ian Barnett "Shakespeare's Speech: Elizabethan Standard Pronunciation"

Alfredo Hopkins "The acting of HAMLET"

Valeria Pietronave "MACBETH and MURDER IN THE CATHEDRAL"

Silvia Sarapinas and Julia Moras "A Man called Shakespeare in a Land called Elizabeth"

María del Carmen Bulla de Molina "Pyramus and Thisbe: Its Contribution to the Play"

18 to 19 Cultural event .

Friday 17 September

9 to 10.30 Sona Seferian "Smyrna School of Translation"

Claudia Ferradas Moi " Shakespearean Studies as Part of the EFL Teacher Training Curriculum in Argentina "

Susana Marchetti "THE TWO GENTLEMEN OF VERONA" Revisited

10.30 - 10.50 Coffee-break

11 to 12 Margarida Rauen "Prompt Books and the Theatrical Transformation of RICHARD II"

José O'Shea "Shakespearean Drama in Brazilian Portuguese. Two Case Studies."

12.30 - 13.50 Break

14 to 15 Ludmila Hovhanissian. " Translation as a Means of Interpreting Shakespeare."

Nelly Shakespear "TROILUS AND CRESSIDA: a multi- purpose play"

15 to 15.20 Coffee -break

15.30 - 16.20 Susana Bourrec "Falstaff and Laughter in Shakespeare"

Cristina Banfi and Raymond Day "What a piece of work is a... film? The cinematographic portrayal of Shakespeare's work and age"

Laura Belmont "Shylock tamizado a través de Borges"

Blanca Parfait "El infierno y la noche:OTELO"

16.40 - l8.40 Luciana Beroiz and Juan Gómez "Remaking Shakespeare: Two Film Versions of RICHARD III"

Graciela Bulleraich "The Tragedy of MACBETH and its Main Themes"

Silvana Fernández "THE TEMPEST"

Adriana Paradelo "Shakespeare y Cesaire: una misma tempestad"

María Elena Aguirre "La Metamorfosis de TITUS ANDRONICUS

María Inés Castagnino "Orden detrás del Caos en A MIDSUMMER NIGHT'S DREAM"

Hugo Echagüe "Remember Me!" "Olvido y Venganza en HAMLET"

Cristina Featherstone " Memoria-Olvido en HAMLET

Juan Gabriel Linari "Entre textos de Freud a Shakespeare: un recorrido posible"

Saturday 18 September

9.30 - 11.30 Horacio Sanguinetti "El OTELO de Shakespeare,Verdi y Boito"

Miguel Montezanti "Semántica de una pedagogía Shakespeareana"

Jorge Dubatti "LA TEMPESTAD en la Argentina: Análisis de la adaptación de Claudio Hochman"

Francisco Javier "El impacto del libro de Ian Kott (SHAKESPEARE.: NUESTRO CONTEMPORANEO) en la práctica teatral"

11.45 a 13 Cultural event .

Closing ceremony.

Posted by: Susana Groisman" mailto:bg820059@bed.buenayre.com.ar

**

----------------- 7. Still paddling -----------------

Sorry this is a bit late -- it looks like the thread about paddle died out -- but anyway, I got rather confused with all the terms that were posted so I decided to contact the "experts" (US Paddle Association) and this is what they said (my comments between []):

Hi Julio, Paddle [also "Padel" in their homepage] is the sport they play in Argentina among other countries. The U.S.P.A. [U.S. Paddle Association] represent paddle in the United States. Paddleball is played in a raquetball court with wooden paddles, platform tennis is played without the walls and the other sports you mentioned [paddle tennis] I'm not familar with. I hope that information helps.

Regards Kirsty Bennington

I should add that according to the USPA there's only about 12 paddle courts in the US (all of them private). The term "paddle tennis" is used in some homepages to refer to paddle.

Posted by: Julio Rodriguez mailto:juliocr@hotmail.com

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------------------------------ N&V-L Digest 513 - 17 Aug 1999 ------------------------------

........................................................ Education is making one's mind a pleasant place to spend the rest of your life. --Sydney J. Harris ........................................................

There are 13 messages in this digest

1. Paying for the List 2. Could it be the tilde ? 3. That little hat again 4. More about Shakespeare Conference 5. Tildes, etc. 6. Would you pay for this list ? 7. Short courses at Reading 8. IH Seminar by Benita Cruickshank 9. ESP ARTesol on-line workshop 10. Calendar of events 11. Henry Widdowwson in Argentina 12. Alianza Conference in Uruguay 13. Mary Anne Mansell visits Argentina

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---------------------- 1. Paying for the List ----------------------

I think Catherine Walter's suggestion of voluntary donations is an excellent idea and I'd be happy to contribute on that basis. It's sad but true that any service that's absolutely free becomes taken for granted - and it would be a good way to support the List Editor for his time and commitment without excluding those who can't afford a subscription.

And surely larger institutions would willingly make contributions, eg the publishers who provide speakers at seminars which are posted on the list.

Why not try it and see?

Posted by: Judy Garton-Sprenger mailto:JudyGS@compuserve.com

** -------------------------- 2. Could it be the tilde ? --------------------------

Gabriela Fernandez Testa wrote:

Today I was asked by a student of mine, what do you call the symbol that appears above the Spanish 'n'

that's the good old "tilde", pronounced "tilde" (as in Spanish) with final "schwa".

Posted by: Roberto Perez http://RobertoPerez.tsx.org mailto:rgpg@technologist.com

** ------------------------ 3. That little hat again ------------------------

Hi, Gabriela!

This is Greg in San Francisco, California. I saw your question in N&V-L Digest 512.

In California we call the 'n' with a "little hat over it" a tilde, pronounced "till-day" with stress on the first syllable.

What does one call it in Argentine Spanish?

Ciao!

Greg Eichler mailto:anatta@psn.net

** ------------------------------------ 4. More about Shakespeare Conference ------------------------------------

This is to complete the information provided by Susana Groisman on the First International William Shakespeare Conference in Argentina (15-18 September).

The conference is organized by the English Department of the Instituto Superior del Profesorado "J. V. Gonzalez", and its organizing committee is headed by Susana Groisman and Susana Marchetti.

All interested can enrole at the Joaquin (Rivadavia 3577 - 1st. floor; 1204 Buenos Aires): Mo/Wed/Fri 8:30 am to 1:30 pm; Tu/Th 1:30 to 7:30 pm and Sat 9 to 12 am. Fees: $40 (teachers) and $20 (students). Cheques and postal orders are accepted, order of Asociacion Cooperadora del Instituto Superior del Profesorado "Dr. Joaquin V. Gonzalez". Telefax: 4863-3916 / 4863-3905. E-mail: profjvg@fausto.mcye.gov.ar

NO ENROLMENTS WILL BE ACCEPTED ON THE DAY OF THE CONGRESS.

Thank you

Celia Sabato - Posted by: Celia Sabato Head of the English Department - ISP "J.V.Gonzalez" mailto:celmar@cvtci.com.ar

** -------------- 5. Tildes, etc. ---------------

In Spanish in regions where "tilde" means 'accent mark', "rayita" or "virgulilla" would be used. In areas where "acento" means 'accent mark', "tilde" or "virgulilla" is used.) In English it could be the "tilde" or the "dash above the n" or the "mark". It's all a matter of usage.

I hope this helps.

Posted by: Martin Jamieson jamieson@arnet.com.ar

[ message modified by list editor - we do not produce Spanish accents on this list]

** -------------------------------- 6. Would you pay for this list ? --------------------------------

PLEASE don't send answers to "Would you pay for this list?" to me - please send them to the list.

Thanks!

Posted by: Catherine Walter mailto:cwalter@compuserve.com

** --------------------------- 7. Short courses at Reading ---------------------------

Short course for teachers at CALS, University of Reading

Adriana Carrizo recently requested that someone who had done the four-week course offered by the University of Reading share their experience. I was given a brochure with information about that course and I see that it is new, so no one will have any experience of it.

It is called "Short Course for Graduate and Trainee EFL Teachers", it will be run from 10 January to 4 February 2000, and it consists of a Language Development / Refresher course and three or four options from the MA in TEFL programme. There is a web site with more information: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/akandel/ The course rep is Analia Kandel (e-mail: akandel@cvtci.com.ar, Tel / Fax: +54 11 4856 3826)

Maria Laura Rossi

Posted by: María Laura Rossi Profesora de Lengua y Literatura Inglesa mailto:mlrossi@satlink.com

** ----------------------------------- 8. IH Seminar by Benita Cruickshank -----------------------------------

International House announces a seminar "Listening Carefully", a wealth of new ideas for listening in the classroom. Given by Benita Cruickshank to be held at International House, Pacheco de Melo 2555, Capital Federal on Saturday August 21 from 9.30 to 12.30 pm.

For further information and enrolment please contact International House by phone or fax: 011 4805-6393 or 4801-5954 or by e-mail: <mailto:melo@internet.siscotel.com>melo@internet.siscotel.com.

Posted by : Sofia Sengenberger IH Buenos Aires <mailto:melo@internet.siscotel.com>mailto:melo@internet.siscotel.com

** ------------------------------- 9. ESP ARTesol on-line workshop -------------------------------

I just want to share with list members a follow up of the ESP ARTesol On-line workshop mentioned by Gabriela Fernández Testa in a recent posting.

What she mentions is exactly what most participants felt and are still feeling. Exchanging opinions, agreeing and disagreeing on friendly grounds has resulted in an open sharing of experiences and a thorough involvement in challenging long-term projects.

But that was just part of it all. The face-to-face meeting held during the Southern Cone Tesol Convention proved to be an unusual experience, full of excitement to meet those ESPers with whom one had been working for over a month.

Thank to Mercedes Rossetti and Emily Lites we have been able to grow both personally and professionally, and undergo an unforgettable experience.

Members of the ESP IS board of Artesol have promised to repeat the workshop. It is worth the time and the effort. The synergy created by cyber-friends can not be put into words. One has to experience it to know what it is like.

María Laura Rossi

Posted by: María Laura Rossi Profesora de Lengua y Literatura Inglesa mailto:mlrossi@satlink.com

** --------------------- 10. Calendar of events ---------------------

If any list member has details of coming events (Talks, workshops, conferences) they would like to include in the upcoming issue of 'ELT News & Views' please contact us at

<admin@eltnewsandviews.com.ar>

as soon as possible and before 20 August so that we can help you share them with other teachers.

Remember we cover events for English language teachers in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay.

Remember too that details of future conferences are also kept on our web site calendar which you can visit at

http://www.eltnewsandviews.com.ar/calendar/calendar.html

Posted by: Martin Eayrs Editor, 'ELT News & Views' mailto:me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar

** -------------------------------- 11. Henry Widdowwson in Argentina --------------------------------

Oxford University Press announces the following sessions by Dr Henry Widdowson PhD.

Monday September 13, Cordoba, 18:00 to 21:30, Salon de Actos Pabellón Argentina, Ciudad Universitaria, Av. Valparaiso s/n, Cordoba "Linguistic features and literary effects: The use of literature in language teaching"

Thursday September 16, Tucuman, 18:30 to 21:30, Grand Hotel Tucuman, Av. Soldatti 380, Tucuman "English, whose English: Defining the Subject"

Saturday September 18, Buenos Aires, 9:30 to 12:30, Salon de Actos Facultad de Derecho, Av Figueroa Alcorta 2263 Buenos Aires "English, whose English: Defining the Subject"

Registration: free, as are all OUP events.

For organisational purposes, registration to these events will take place at the following addresses only:

Cordoba, Libreria Blackpool, Dean Funes 395 and Av Rafael Nuñez 4555 Tucuman, IES Lola Mora, Muñecas 219 1° (18:00 to 23:00) Buenos Aires, Oxford University Press, Reconquista 661 1°

For further information or assistance in the registration procedure, please call OUP representation offices:

OUP Buenos Aires: (011) 4312-5012/14 OUP Cordoba: (0351) 4810-267 OUP Mar del Plata: (0223) 4934-554 OUP Mendoza: (0261) 4952-182 OUP Rosario: (0341) 4352-549 OUP Tucuman: (0381) 4294-400

** --------------------------------- 12. Alianza Conference in Uruguay ---------------------------------

If you are are going to be in Uruguay on 22 - 25 August you may want to take in the 5th EFL Conference organised by the Alianza Cultural Uruguay-Estados Unidos.

This is a big and important national event - more info from Tel: 9017423 (Diego Gonzalez) or 9030384 (Jorge Saracini).

** -------------------------------------- 13. Mary Anne Mansell visits Argentina --------------------------------------

Mary Anne Ansell is Head of the International Centre for English Language Studies (ICELS) in the School of Languages in Oxford Brookes University.

One of the main purposes of Mary Anne's visit to Argentina is the presentation of Distance Courses for Teachers in the University of Oxford Brookes with awards of DIPLOMA AND MA IN ELT.

Mary Anne will be presenting these courses for the first time in the South of Greater Buenos Aires

Venue: Acevedo 1657, Banfield, Date: August 31 at 19.30 hs.

Attendance is free but booking in advance is requested.

Kindly contact <lidia@windsor.com.ar> by email or phone 4202 6421.

Posted by: Lidia Oleiro mailto:lidia@windsor.com.ar

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------------------------------ N&V-L Digest 514 - 18 Aug 1999 ------------------------------

......................................................... For the heart of education is the education of the heart.

--Unknown .........................................................

There are 6 messages in this digest

1. Paying for the List 2. Ron White at IATEFL Rio 3. Seminar in Cordoba 4. The little hat on the Spanish 'n' 5. Preparing students for BEC 6. Addition to Shakespeare Conference information

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---------------------- 1. Paying for the List ----------------------

I also agree with Catherine Walter's idea of voluntary ontributions.( Not that I know how it would work, technically) I remember , when I first got into technology. It was at the behest of my son and daughter and Martin himself, who, although he denies it now, told me I was a disgrace to the profession (perhaps that was how I heard it as, deep down, that was my perception too ).

I, personally, found it all so time-consuming. I was amazed and enthralled at the very idea of somebody making such an effort to disseminate information and set up a forum for all willing bodies to partake of and participate in. I remember asking Martin how much time it took and being shocked at his answer.

I do see, however, the pitfalls of having "interested" parties paying for the sevices and how the basic freedoms may be warped by such a set up.

If we really appreciate something and feel it's worthwhile then we should "Put Our Money Where Our Mouth Is " and accept that life ain't easy and those who have a vision should be rewarded for it not just through our intangible appreciations but by something more concrete. After all......we all have to eat.

( P:S: This took me 3 hours to write !)

Posted by: Susan Hillyard mailto:hillyard@ciudad.com.ar

** ------------------------- 2.Ron White at IATEFL Rio -------------------------

Ron White, CALS, at IATEFL Brazil 7- October

Ron White will be talking at IATEFL Brazil,on 7 October. The theme of the Conference is Cultural Awareness in the ELT Classroom. His presentations will be:

1. A plenary: The Next Big Thing? Intercultural competence in ELT

2. A workshop: Developing inter-cultural competence: programme and process

3. A commercial presentation: Choosing a distance study Master's programme

Further information: Fax: (44) (0)118 975 6506 Email: <r.v.white@reading.ac.uk>

Web site: http://www.rdg.ac.uk/AcaDepts/cl/CALS/index.htm

Posted by: List Editor mailto:me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar

** ---------------------- 3. Seminar in Cordoba ----------------------

ACPI (Asociación Cordobesa de Profesoras de Inglés) is holding its Annual Meeting on August 21 and August 26. Keynote speakers will be Cristina Egle de Martini (current Director of Escuela Superior de Lenguas, Univ. Nacional de Córdoba) and David Nunan (current president of Tesol and author of numerous books on language teaching).

Ms. Martini will deal with Post-modernism: theories and practices in the fields of painting, architecture and literature. Mr Nunan will deliver two workshops: 1. A task based approach to teaching listening and speaking and 2. the Value of learner strategy training.

For further information and registration contact Blackpool Phone: (0351)4237172 email blackpool@arnet.com.ar

The seminar is free of charge

Posted by: Elba Villanueva de Debat Escuela Superior de Lenguas Universidad Nacional de Cordoba mailto:edebat@esl.unc.edu.ar

** ----------------------------------- 4. The little hat on the Spanish 'n' -----------------------------------

Teaching how to call @, ', /, _ and - when dictating an URL or e-mail address I asked my students ''Do you know how to call ~ ? (thinking about the question in the list) One of my students said we call it 'niuflo' or 'tilde''' .

Anyhow, there is a good URL www.webopaedia.com to look for Computer and Inet terms. I haven't been here yet but my friends say it's really usefull,

Regards

Posted by: Maria Elisa mailto:mariaelisa@arnet.com.ar

** ----------------------------- 5. Preparing students for BEC -----------------------------

I am preparing students for BEC one and two level. There are two questions I would like to ask to those who are preparing students for that exam.

To start with, which activities do you give to your students to get more practice in parts 4 - 5 and 6 form Reading and Writing in Bec 1, and which for part 3 in Bec 2.

I will appreciate your willingness to share your experience.

Thanks a lot

Posted by: Alicia Barbitta Montevideo-Uruguay mailto:barbitta@adinet.com.uy

** ------------------------------------------------- 6. Addition to Shakespeare Conference information -------------------------------------------------

We would like to thank Oxford University Press for making Professor Henry Widdowson's participation possible.

Posted by: Susana Groisman" mailto:bg820059@bed.buenayre.com.ar

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------------------------------ N&V-L Digest 515 - 21 Aug 1999 ------------------------------

...................................................... Education is learning a lot about how little you know.

--unknown ......................................................

There are 8 messages in this digest

1. ACPI - Cordoba Annual Seminar 2. Seminar on professional development in ELT 3. Translation and interpretation event in La Pampa 4. Parts of the body and physical appearance 5. The acquisition of English negatives ... 6. The DRAE pronounces ... 7. Workshop on goal setting 8. Teaching through TBA

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-------------------------------- 1. ACPI - Cordoba Annual Seminar --------------------------------

The Asociacion Cordobesa de Profesores de Ingles has organized this Seminar, and has requested the auspices of the School of Languages, Cordoba National University, so that participants can ask for the corresponding 'puntaje'.

Programme:

PART I:

Saturday 21 August from 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.:

Lecturer: Professor Cristina Elgue de Martini

Session 1: Theories: A poetics of postmodernism? Practices I: Analysis of postmodern strategies in Anglo-American painting and architecture.

Session 2: Practices II: Analysis of postmodern strategies in the field of literature: The presence of Anglo- American writers in Ricardo Piglia's "Prision Perpetua".

PART II:

Thursday 26 from 5:30 p.m. to 9 p.m. Lecturer: Professor David Nunan

Session 1: A task-based approach to teaching listening and speaking.

Session 2: The value of learner strategy training

VENUE: Librería Blackpool - Avda. Rafael Nunez 4555 Tel 0351 -4814472

This Seminar is free of charge and all Teachers of English are cordially invited to attend.

Further information and enrolment at Blackpool: Dean Funes 395 - CORDOBA Tel 0351 - 4237172 FAX 0351 - 4240045

ACPI will elect a new Board on Saturday 21, at 4:30 p.m., after Session 2. All ACPI members are kindly requested to attend.

Posted by Blanca Lidia Ripodas- ACPI Secretary MAIL to: <mailto:ripodasbl@onenet.com.ar>ripodasbl@onenet.com.ar Brandan 993 - Residencial Velez Sarsfield - 5016 CORDOBA Tel 0351 - 4617074

Posted by: Blanca Ripodas mailto:ripodasbl@onenet.com.ar

** --------------------------------------------- 2. Seminar on professional development in ELT ---------------------------------------------

Facultad de Ciencias Humanas, Univ. Nac. de La Pampa announces the following activities

Seminar on professional development in ELT

Thursday 30 SEPTEMBER 1999, 2:30 - 8:00 pm

Lecturers : Dave Allan - Norwich, UK Laura Renart - Buenos Aires

2:30 - 4:30 pm "Effective Assessment in the Communicative Classroom" by Dave Allan

5:00 - 6:30 pm "Using authentic video material in your classroom" by Laura Renart

7:00 - 8:00 pm "Classroom Management - what makes classes work better? by Dave Allan

Fees: to Sept 10 $20, to Sept 28 $25

Further information and Enrolment:

Departamento Alumnos o Departamento de Lenguas Extranjeras Facultad de Ciencias Humanas , UNLPam Cnel. Gil 353 - 2° piso - Santa Rosa - La Pampa Tel : ( 02954 ) 423106 / 423109 - Int. 212 ó 268 Fax : ( 02954 ) 433037. Email : <mailto:lengext@fchst.unlpam.edu.ar>lengext@fchst.unlpam.edu.ar

Posted by: Graciela Pascual mailto:gpascual@arnet.com.ar

** --------------------------------------------------- 3. Translation and interpretation event in La Pampa ---------------------------------------------------

"PRIMERAS JORNADAS DE TRADUCCION LITERARIA Y CIENTIFICA: la traducción al final del milenio"

Thursday 7 and Friday 8 October 1999

Presentations: concurrent sessions 11am-1pm and 3:30-8 pm

Conferences: 7 Oct. 10 am ROLANDO COSTA PICAZO - UBA 8 Oct. 9:30 am LISA ROSE BRADFORD - Univ.Mar del Plata

Fees: Presenters $ 30; Attendants $ 15 Students Free

Information and Enrolment: Facultad de Ciencias Humanas, UNLPam Cnel. Gil 353 - 2° piso - Santa Rosa - La Pampa Tel: 02954-3292/423106_ Fax: 02954-433037 Email: <mailto:aldoreda@cpenet.com.ar>aldoreda@cpenet.com.ar

Posted by: Graciela Pascual mailto:gpascual@arnet.com.ar

** -------------------------------------------- 4. Parts of the body and physical appearance --------------------------------------------

I am a translationship student and in my last Language lesson we were dealing with parts of the body and physical appearance vocabulary. Some doubts them came up and I would like to ask you for some help about them.

What do you call...?

* jopo (like the one of James Dean or Elvis) * batido (the way women used to have their hair done in the 60's) * corte taza - corte paje (about hair lenght) * bozo (the female "moustache")

I would really apreciate your cooperation,

Posted bY: Florencia Azarola mailto:FAZAROLA@nec.com.ar

** ------------------------------------------- 5. The acquisition of English negatives ... -------------------------------------------

I need to use the following paper for an SLA assignment:

Cancino, H., Rosansky, E. and Schumann, J. 1978. The acquisition of English negatives and interrogatives by native Spanish speakers. In E. Hatch (ed). Second Language Acquisition. Rowley, Mas.: Newbury House

The book is currently out of print. Please contact me at <mailto:mrossetti@impsat1.com.ar>mrossetti@impsat1.com.ar. I would really appreciate it.

Posted by: Mercedes Rossetti mailto:mrossetti@impsat1.com.ar

** -------------------------- 6. The DRAE pronounces ... --------------------------

The Royal Spanish Academy is the one who always has the last decision about the Spanish language correct use. It uses "tilde" or "virgulilla" to refer to the hat over the letter 'n'. "Tilde" and "virgulilla" are considered to be synonyms, and both of them refer to any sign used over abbreviations, the 'n' with its hat, , and any other sign used to distinguish any letter from another one or denote stressing. I think for English speakers it would be easier to refer to this little hat as "tilde" rather than "virgulilla".

Posted by: Valeria Bueno Argentina mailto:vbueno@tecoint.com

[ posting modified by list editor to meet list requirements which require all postings on N&V-L to avoid using accents of any kind ]

** --------------------------- 7. Workshop on goal setting ---------------------------

Network English Language Teaching announces a 3-hour workshop for teachers delivered by Jamie Duncan and Laura Szmuch.

Building your future: goal setting for teachers and students

ABSTRACT: Do you know how you want to improve as a teacher? Or even what options you have? In this workshop you will learn how to set and achieve realisable objectives for yourself and for your students with the help of techniques from Neuro Linguistic Programming

DATE: Friday 24th Sept, 1999

TIME: 17:30 to 20:30

FEE: $20.-

PLACE: Entre Rios 265, Avellaneda (Altura Avda. Hipolito Yrigoyen Ex Pavon al 1700)

Contact: 4209-4592 4228-4900 email <mailto:eltnetwork@impsat1.com.ar>eltnetwork@impsat1.com.ar

Limited vacancies

Posted by: Cecilia Cicolini mailto:eltnetwork@impsat1.com.ar

** ----------------------- 8. Teaching through TBA -----------------------

I´d like to inform all list members about this workshop organized at INTERACTION LANGUAGE STUDIO. For further information, do not hesitate to consult us at 4311-7220/4312-1950 or <interaction@movi.com.ar>.

Title: Teaching English through the Task-based Approach

Lecturer: Silvana Ioli

Date: August 24, 10.30-12.30

Posted by: Virginia López Grisolía mailto:interaction@movi.com.ar

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.................................................. Education is making people easier to to govern but impossible to enslave. --Henry Peter Brougham ..................................................

There are 8 messages in this digest

1. Academia Real hegemony queried 2. Email project - partner sought 3. Spamming N&V-L members 4. Vocabulary Seminar 5. Business English in Tandil 6. The language of Information Technology 7. Dave Allan in Argentina 8. Holistic workshop in Bariloche

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--------------------------------- 1. Academia Real hegemony queried ---------------------------------

The Royal Spanish Academy is the one who always has the last decision about the Spanish language correct use.

Why does the Academia Real [BTW, we use the Spanish term in California] have the last word on correct usage of the Spanish language in Argentina? I had been under the impression that each Spanish-speaking country had its own language academy. Is that not right?

I think for English speakers it would be easier to refer to this little hat as "tilde" rather than "virgulilla".

I concur. It's much easier to pronounce at any rate. :-)

Ciao!

Posted by: Greg Eichler San Francisco mailto:greg@bluelotus.com

** --------------------------------- 2. Email project - partner sought ---------------------------------

I would like to know if any teacher would like to start a project with me. I have tried to exchange students' emails but so far I have not succeeded as the people who I got in touch were not really committed to keeping their students writing.

There are students of all ages ( 6-50) and levels ( 1st grade to Proficiency) here at CR Inglés in Padua. If any of you is interested please let me know as soon as possible.

I would also appreciate it if you can recommend any good address to get foreign e-mail pals for my students.

Gratefully,

Posted by: Cecilia A. Ramirez de Ricci CR Inglés Director mailto:cr@infovia.com.ar

** ------------------------- 3. Spamming N&V-L members -------------------------

A list member has written to me about being 'spammed' by someone with access to N&V-L. A few words on the subject.

Email provides free publicity for people - if you send out five million emails there is a good chance that you will get five hundred replies, which might just be good business (if not good ethics).

So how do you collect large numbers of email numbers ? One way is through chain letters like the one about little Brian Miranda at the Garrahan Hospital which tell you to Forward the message - as it travels along it collects more and more emails which can then be used by unscrupulous advertisers. Needless to say, there is no Brian Miranda. And there are many similar ways, most of which take advantage of the public's good nature and gullibility..

One way is to lift names from postings to lists like N&V-L. Juana Fulana posts to the list, Juan Mongo copies her name and adds it to his address book - a few days later he sends Juana an invitation to get rich quick, join an adult web site or buy/subscribe to a new product. It's as easy as that.

It is not the fault of the list owner - the only way you can prevent this happening is if you never make a posting ! But there are certain steps you can take if you want to prevent this happening.

If you would like to receive some information on this send a mail to <me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar> and put the words

GET SPAMINFO

in the subject header. A mail will be automatically forwarded to you.

And please remember just because Juana Fulana is interested in items relating to Cono Sur ELT it does not mean she wants your unsolicited mail. A little respect for fellow list members will help us all.

Posted by: List Editor mailto:me@eltnewsandviews.com.ar

** --------------------- 4. Vocabulary Seminar ---------------------

The English Language Center is pleased to announce the following seminar to be held on its premises:

Title: How to Learn and Teach Vocabulary

Lecturer: Aldo O. Blanco

Date: Sat., August 28, 1999

Time: 3-6pm

Venue: T.E.L. Center, Thames 511, 1414 Buenos Aires City

For further details please contact us by phone/fax: (11) 4856-0020 (3.30-8.30pm), or e-mail: telcenter@infovia.com.ar

Posted by: Viviana Myslicki mailto:telcenter@infovia.com.ar

** ----------------------------- 5. Business English in Tandil -----------------------------

Immersion day for EFL and Business English Teachers in the Tandil area - Led by Caroline Gwatkin

DATE: Friday, 27 August TIME: 9.00 - 16.30 FEE: whole day $35, (lunch included) half day $20 Info: Tel: (02293) 44 7392 Tel: (02293) 44 5593 <theplace@sinectis.com.ar>

Posted by: C. Gwatkin mailto:theplace@sinectis.com.ar

** ----------------------------------------- 6. The language of Information Technology -----------------------------------------

Event: Workshop for ESP teachers & translators: The language of IT (Information Technology)

Lecturer: Adriana Arcaute

Date: August 25, 19 - 21.30

Info: 4311-8544/ 4314-2583

Posted by: Alejandra M. Jorge mail <mailto:to:cait@ciudad.com.ar>to:cait@ciudad.com.ar

** -------------------------- 7. Dave Allan in Argentina --------------------------

Dave Allan will be giving talks and workshops as follows

SEPTEMBER

Fri 17 Posadas

Sat 18 Posadas

Tue 21 Salta

Thu 23 La Plata

Fri 24 Banfield, Buenos Aires (am) City of Buenos Aires (pm)

Sat 25 City of Buenos Aires

Mon 27 Rosario

Tue 28 Santa Fe

Wed 29 Cordoba

Thu 30 Santa Rosa

OCTOBER

Fri 1 Tandil

Sat 2 Tandil

Fri 8 Bahía Blanc

Sat 9 Bahía Blanca

Information: <tseliot@interserver.com.ar>

Posated by: Claudia Ferradas Moi mailto:tseliot@interserver.com.ar

** --------------------------------- 8. Holistic workshop in Bariloche ---------------------------------

Lecturer: Prof. Maria Marta Suarez

Venue: Colegio del Sol Av Pioneros 4243 Bariloche

Date: August 28th

Time: 9.30am- 1pm

Organizer: STEPS Cultural Inglesa de Bariloche. Morales 764 Bariloche. Phone (02944)422340

Cost: $25.

Info: steps@bariloche.com.ar

Posted by: Maria Celeste Grimau mailto:steps@bariloche.com.ar

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